We're Kicking It | The Stories Behind the Legends and warriors of Martial arts greats

Gerson Schilipacke | Chute Boxe Muay Thai Black Belt | Owner/ Head Coach of Fight Solutions

June 14, 2021 Jose Flores/ Gerson Schilipacke Season 1 Episode 10
We're Kicking It | The Stories Behind the Legends and warriors of Martial arts greats
Gerson Schilipacke | Chute Boxe Muay Thai Black Belt | Owner/ Head Coach of Fight Solutions
Show Notes Transcript

Professor GersonGrilloSchilipacke  began studying Muay Thai and MMA at the famed Chute Boxe Academy in Curitiba Brazil. After receiving his black belt in 2004 and competing in both Muay Thai and MMA he wanted to pass his knowledge on to others and focus his work towards a coaching career. In 2006 he moved to Southern California to coach the Chute Boxe USA team in Huntington Beach. In 2009 he founded the official Chute Boxe USA headquarters in Long Beach , CA. Today Gerson is the owner/ head trainer of the top Muay Thai gym Fight Solutions in Long Beach CA. Gerson also trained Michael Bisping mixed martial artist, who competed in the Middleweight and Light Heavyweight division of the UFC.

Coach Gerson has over 23 years of competitive and training experience. His passion for improving physical fitness, mental discipline, and spiritual strength is apparent in every class he teaches.  Gerson has been a positive influence in the lives of many, and continues to strive towards making his fighters dreams of becoming a champion a reality.

Gerson believes in a principled approach to martial arts, that includes the development of personal character as well as mental and physical strength. His vision of the sport , focus on respect, confidence, discipline, and hard work has made him one of the most sought after Muay Thai and MMA instructors in Southern California.

Train with Gerson  Schilipackea at his Muy Thai, MMA,  Jiu Jitsu  gym Fight Solutions.

Jose Flores:

That's where I get the privilege to talk to the legends and words or the martial arts world. Today I am being joined by Gerson Schiller, pack, founder and owner of fight solutions, Sir, how are you? I'm good. Thank you. You know, I was afraid I was gonna butcher your last name there. That happens all the time.

Gerson Schilipacke:

So how are you today? Sir? I'm pretty good today. Yeah, starting today, right? That's awesome. Very good. Yeah. So you were born in good to Shiva. Yes. All right. Can you tell me a little bit about younger son? How was he? Yes, Ma, you know, working Cincy, Erling Ag and they'll but the martial arts came in early for me to and curry Chiba Brazil is a city. Like come down. It's not like a crazy city like Rio, San Paolo. And martial arts is really stronger than the city. Like you didn't want to die inside the strike inside. And was always a dream. Brett? Yeah. And when you say it was more calm, like, it was just it was more of a city or like more of a rural area or he is like more like a real is like California and could he cheer but it's like Boston, New York. business area, you know, our buildings, not the beachy or, you know, outside fun, cold, they chill.

Jose Flores:

And you mentioned you started in Motown martial arts at an early age was moita your first style you started I had fast experiences with the karate when I was like at 10 years old. And but was fast. Yeah. I don't stick with EDM syncing that time I started training 1995 I had the joy the turn 18 because it was more violent in the time. So your parents need to sign you in Give You Up to this age and my parents wasn't I walked

Gerson Schilipacke:

in with the mean that one so I had to wait Anthony at him to dance sign myself up. So Jim,

Jose Flores:

so you waited in datacenter moiety devices I mean, I I know very little my time in just what I see. But so it's a hardcore sport. It's

Gerson Schilipacke:

right now it's hard to court but back in the day like 25 years ago was even worse. You don't have to watch a rule there's regulations especially in a third world country like Brazil, where you know a lot of people they made up their own rules that they like to hear right now have a lot of regulations for everything is there that time not?

Jose Flores:

When you mean I mean, I'm thinking about more regulations as to elbows and knees and not many not much padding or whatnot,

Gerson Schilipacke:

even protection. And we never had the gloves in the time. Wait, what? Yes, in that time we don't have gloves we don't have shin guards. We barely had them that simple. Non dollar mouth required galaxy to hand wrap just to try to have some cushioning to cut to mochi that said my first few years it then I was a tutor box was was one of the most famous aggressive gym in the world. So the first two years no one nobody fighting outside of the count. So it was that way the more the fighters like llmd underlay Silva start fighting in Japan say so then the coaches had the more chance that they started bringing gear back every trip so bring you some gloves from shin guards then from there it Jim had the equipment to share between everybody but the head in maybe 10 pairs of gloves 10 pairs of shin guards so when coming this packing time was okay guys gloves and shengguan so everybody had to to run try get whatever you can sometimes you will come in with the gloves sometimes or come with guangcheng Why is that there was was we had it you doing the time

Jose Flores:

and knowing that you have no gloves? Was anyone aware Okay, I'm gonna watch my control or was it just

Gerson Schilipacke:

you just got on their box anyone that research should have walked back in the day especially? No The training was violent was worldwide for the violent sell for the training. So don't have your like you're gonna say don't hate relations, even side revelations on the gym like, okay, you're a fighter. That guy just to sign up. Let's take he is let's help him. Let's introduce him to the martial arts in the time in Ohio. It was basically a clean out the few commute they can beat you back tomorrow. You take your other video back again maybe you are a fighter because the gyms wasn't their gym specially wasn't the environment they wanted a commercial environment they was focusing create fighters in not create their normal crowd self defense here cutting way T and you know it was like it was a fighter if you're a fighter you keep taking the tick coming back we know you're a fighter then we will not make you a fighter

Jose Flores:

so it was sort of like a trial period of that if you

Gerson Schilipacke:

if you're you feel heavy and you stay if not you're the one we can live in nevermore See you again.

Jose Flores:

How was your first How was your first experiences at shooting? Yeah, how was your first experiences for me

Gerson Schilipacke:

I can't say too much bad the beats on the first demand Oh, like dog feel but kinda ahead they like it then guys on the mat they I knew heavy to those that when you go with them they want to be straighter and other a few guys was nice if you guys already was like beating now always ready to go. And so first of all to us few normal beats but towards the next at the end worst and worst but then you start to get a better tune there is an environment that is created then you are down there you learn it that way you fast forwarded away so many new ones coming then you take a bit from the older guy up to the newbie it's not a healthy environment but what's normal in your genes 25 years ago oh yeah you know they're in Brazil you know it's a different country I know probably for a few countries as children in that way but from their evolving you know like shooter walks right now there is completely professional gym like no other you know how to rule this inside? Don't happens anymore.

Jose Flores:

It was your instructor during that time. Who'd you Murphy There you go. How was he like

Gerson Schilipacke:

he was a cool guy he's like yeah, he's building out big name fighters from photobox orsinium here is more like a monster calm down but he is pushing guys to you know get better and as a fighters lead did pretty well the guys in training to kinda motivated the coming back give you all you have you know it was rough but you get the better in other quotes we shoot about a sobia gear had many coaches every I can't name so many

Jose Flores:

but but you had I'm sorry What was his name again? Just hold the market very good. My friend Reagan was your instructor and was shooter boxing and was it a fairly new school or was it already around was

Gerson Schilipacke:

around those boxes? I think they they start in 19 8019 okay add to something like that.

Jose Flores:

Okay, so you're 15 years you started when 15 years later around the end maybe five Yes.

Gerson Schilipacke:

Was a small gym or should the box have a big explosion around the nine eight when start the heavy fight international fighters want the value to explode digital box explode because they was ahead of time they they had their whole army ready to fight in that time.

Jose Flores:

And I mean pride fighting like you said pride by Ryan in Japan in Japan and although they they got it on the map Yeah. As you said randomly silver was randomly I think also probably

Gerson Schilipacke:

late Pele Frankfurter box was an underlay pillar llmd was the pillar under the first is his really made it the open the way for all the other fighters in them right after bill that came you've underlay silverware he was the the Mr. Pride he's dominate for 10 years champion 10 years then open for many other fighters on the private from the box Baba who already was from other states.

Jose Flores:

Okay, got it. All right. All right. And well you see now that the people coming up in the fighting Did you yourself that you get that edge like I want to fight?

Gerson Schilipacke:

I want the problem back in the day was valid to don't have rules basically. Especially weight classes. So the guys that was 170 pounds, kinda working out to go up to 185 205 pounds. He then was the average size for Be able to do deal with everybody. You know, the side headwater guys is smaller like you Me and my full generation the fighters like 125 pounds 25 pounds not like getaway to like today so for us basically the first two years don't have any chance for MMA or valid dude because you don't have to wait to class you go if you want to fight you want to step inside the ring against that guy 200 210 pounds no glove is down everything it goes soccer kickers it's donkeys don't have the rule is so small guys don't have it there I want to be the fighter was the sport was hobby was we want him to be a bear but she stepped in the ring you don't have the chance then later to start to have weight class them had their Friday What was the name Heather the main pride that our the bigger guys have it is my one no no was the pride pride the one name that was the guys 170 pounds yeah well 55 pounds oh he then the small guys who started having more but today it's already was probably 2003 four or five for me I'm 47 right now about at that time already was getting on the oldest site we had the more I had more Thai fights because the more Thai same The rule is was different but the heavy weight classes already in Brazil so I had the chance to fight him there but in that time in my time Brazil was you fighting basically don't have the amateur as a straight pro first fight to probe custom material don't exist in Brazil back in that time I can so you go there fighting a professional fighter already for a T shirt or a T shirt or you know I teach you that you get the T shirt and a mouthpiece yeah like now I don't have to use my thighs painful it's not like you're doing fight back to home you will promote a fight especially in the time because you are it can be good but the experience is not there so it's a full full blow off I you know you see amateurs fighting right now you see the pro you're gonna see the paces JFIF DLL the amateurs go out crazy. You think you step as a pro already we did that kind of experience and like even like you're really good you're never fought in the first fight to go straight pro man is a full blown off item pro level is so over and assignments in keeping that don't have future on that, you know, just injuries and then bezel Ray to coaching liability stacking. push away. And career fighting career. Wasn't the career basically.

Jose Flores:

I mean, I'm still shocked that you said you fought a full blown head for a shirt or a mouth guard. That is insane, insane,

Gerson Schilipacke:

insane. But, you know, like in your sport to start somewhere? Yes, he then started becoming more professional or rule is more understanding. You know what, okay, about 25 to 2020 to 25 days factor in 25 years ago, basically, two years, three years later, start fighting. So still 20 years ago.

Jose Flores:

You seen the world change? Okay? Yeah, you

Gerson Schilipacke:

see the mission of the sport Tilden there okay, like I see here you know, I'm moving here the morning time today is way different than 12 years ago and I'm moving to the west so much that is not even the same sport.

Jose Flores:

So the data I mean, did injuries occur more often? Of course they could occur more often and when you're doing that, then the now Yeah, I mean just because of the shin guards the gloves the head here,

Gerson Schilipacke:

here I know a heavy fighters or any pro fighter you can see that the top two gyms you're going to see the guys heading here. shin guards, elbow pads, knee pads, you know sometimes most times even chest deprotection when these more specifically training that you know you're going to take some blows up on the body like broken ribs in my time you don't have nothing there so I broke in read because I have a collection like it was normal only they can use their heavy break and don't have too much room chew to mistakes. Oh, so

Jose Flores:

was it more like I got broken ribs like bragging about it. Oh, I got broken ribs. You know, it's like

Gerson Schilipacke:

Tim, Cook's like, in right now. We seen Curtis in genius. Everybody freaking out like oh my god but back in the day. It was Stanford less so you won't get to cut the small cut to go there Why are they quote finishing around? Finish around now go wash Vaseline the tape is not that bad back you finish your other rounds you know was a vital man because if they're heavy decided to okay you're a fighter you're going to stop a fight because you've got a little cut no so this is training for when you're on the ring you'll get occurred for us normal heavy a lot too behind it but was a full environment to create fighters not the commercial gym like you right now is normal you need to have a fighter you need to have a commercial training tool everybody is different

Jose Flores:

and I want to I want to touch base with you on that however I want to backtrack a little bit I think I heard you came to the US later on in your life in your 30s so so what made you come to the US what I basically

Gerson Schilipacke:

I was looking for a vacation or it's changed a little bit you know vacation stay out the visit my friends here in San Diego and I like you know the site stay a little bit longer site stay a little bit longer than say you know what, since they're gonna stay i'd love teaching then they start looking for places to teaching first and up find a place in Huntington Beach to teaching so it could stay longer in the site state indefinitely

Jose Flores:

oh wow that is awesome. So you talk to me how was that how was your experience over there

Gerson Schilipacke:

no hunting beaches really tough spot a spot for a gym or for to be a teacher because it mostly off the top trainers leaving their teaching their heavy gyms there you know since a okay and 2006 when I'm moving to the west started teaching around half of 2006 so in 2007 is when I decided I want to be full time trainer and start teaching on the Ghazi Academy in Huntington Beach. So in that time for shoot the boxer was just me I was the only shooter boxer in California or in the USA was doing this they say you know what? You decide stay so you're the official head coach for the LLC started building a Basie and they'll find that GM started teaching building a solid base where the other fighters from photobox can be there when they fight in the UFC you know like find the fights for the fighters help the team Yeti stable in the in the West so I started doing that job in back in there as well.

Jose Flores:

So you mean now that you got permission to teach but should the bar should have often told you Okay, you're gonna stay in California you're going to be the head coach on the west and you were the only one that there was only one for 40 years that's pretty amazing yeah

Gerson Schilipacke:

the the guys Academy wasn't perfect jujitsu gym so I brought to the point I we building a solid stronger base and

Jose Flores:

I'm indebted to my talents from

Gerson Schilipacke:

he then later in 2008 2000 2008 to 2009 then with Rafael Cordero Kane was the other domain coaches in Brazil. That was the main function in that time they decided to move to the west so I helped them to get satellites into their secure I put a I gave him a spot to his teaching the girls Academy on the morning or for the fighters he then when the days in the splitted area member Raphael we ended up you find the other place I felt put together a gym then and but then here's the side the left shoulder box and I decided stay Yeah, you down. I'm moving I started looking for other place where I found this place, Long Beach, same location in 2009. Me and my wife and we open displays and keep it going as shooter walks and he is moving Europe and kings kings MMA.

Jose Flores:

So you're thinking some of his thinking and you you open the box. And I mean correct me if I'm wrong but that's that's around the time Ultimate Fighter one or whatever it was growing. So you see any new students the rise of new students as UFC started getting bigger yourself. We

Gerson Schilipacke:

have a lot guys the coming training was training other gyms so a lot of these guys down the beginning of this UFC which made fighter or even UFC came in did a couple classes are well known can leave you but seeing one guy that came the first day with you as you grow all the way up I didn't have the time it you see there because there was 2007 eight and nine and then moving on with sea fighter lab we're gonna take your five to 10 years to make these I had no time to see anyone grow their way there

Jose Flores:

wow okay and I mean we were we were talking to shoot tip or we're talking about shoot boxing and now your fight solutions if you don't mind me asking the reason though the name of the champion the name change

Gerson Schilipacke:

I stay as a head coach put it through a lot fighters from Brazil from the box fighting here is support to the team all the way to 2018 so in 2018 we opened a second location in had on the beach Oh, there was a bigger location here is 3000 square feet that is like six 7000 square feet huge location to be the main base for double Yes, but then things change there and they start okay and now we need the give me more money more money they seem to grow we feel like we can capitalize on that to what the I felt wasn't fair because they never have helped me with the any money it was all my daughter me and my wife. Yes 10 years working shows getting that level. So we had that agreement more about the money than the and the other thing you want to say you know what? I already been doing this for so long. I already have many fighters. I have fighters on the UFC. I had fighters on the baileigh Thor I have two fighters on the lion fight so all the main event is in striking or MMA in the word I have fighters so I don't mean the I produce not that they came in from the box American guys you know, they know what I'm gonna do my own thing this time joking my own team then we kind of did the name and everything we did. We were coincidentally was tiny to remodeling this location. Oh whopping 2009 almost 10 years This was kinda we need the remodel so we was in Del Monte completely remodeling this place it didn't say You know what? Let's switch the color scheme with our callers and switch everything we did coincidentally came together to do the demo so we did you know hey gretz even like it I have a lot friends that shoot the bots a lot more stuff for my friends we train for before I move in here from 95 to 2006 so now I'll every single one I still friends with nine 8% why respect to what I learned from them but all these years here I had to evolve so what I'm teaching right now is not too much though what I learned besides mental game isn't me you know that the the philosophy that I learned if that is the top notch of the front squats I keep adding more stuff technical wise you evolve the technique evolve so we moving forward but stronger respect for what they I got from devoxx is to my team I love to tell my heart but the things needed to change I mean everything evolves eventually involves and I mean good spot and I love the gym and how do you come up with the name find solutions you know like who was in the sport it you know no shoe box for being extremely aggressive style it then I developed the one mentality fighting here mercy my fighters here they vote like I say their sport evolve. I started teaching a little bit more these mighty thing behind the fight to be far behind the technique. You need to be smart you need to know how when Why was he any single technique not just okay you're learning jab straight dig and kickers and let go they're gonna marshy straightforward English whatever I know and the guy is gonna win the fight now. You have a timing. You have speed the acceleration times you go in Thank you juggle out of moving forward the aggressive move moving forward to be aggressively moving backwards, moving angles, you know how develop the elders and the fighters I came up with okay you How is anyone inside the method always have a problem to solve your opponent is always one big problem in your face that you need to solve every single second that I move it different it's a different problem is bring it to you and I need to bring you the solution as a coach so then can you okay you have a problems and we need to bring you the solutions fight solution

Jose Flores:

that is awesome. That's like that. That's great. And I mean you're talking about the philosophy and everything what what's your philosophy in the fight in the fighting war fighters that you teach your student Now firstly,

Gerson Schilipacke:

I'd like to keep the martial arts philosophy on top I kicked me from shutter box through the box was a gym that was really struggling to hierarchy and discipline you know in I came into the YRC I felt like he allotted MMA gyms was already occasion fighters and firemen don't have the rules don't have him for that he had our key don't have discipline have a lot to like and stronger fighter I can be 10 one here so I moving in I do whatever I want even like talking back to coach or whatever you know, and I strongly don't like that so when I decided we decided to open this gym Okay, this is gonna be the gym that I always drink even in my tiny when what I miss it in my time training I want to try put inside the gym he then came stronger here at the zipline respect all my fighters you can come in here anytime you're gonna see the guys kind of killing each other in some spots. But the Assam finish they are our friends is always miles out one group you don't want to see a little group the older guys in training separated the newbies in the other side feeling like knowledge in the data now they go there they talk to everybody everybody's one group and outside of the mat you're going to see smiles you're gonna see people walking around the friendly you know welcoming to everybody and not like a bunch of like mean muscle guys. No, indicate we're going to fight. We are the nicest team without everybody was joking even with the other thing they want to fight against years. Between fighters is personnel in that time. Oh, yeah. finish the fight everybody's friend, you know, you walking out to the cage, you're already gonna see the expression change. But there is what do we do this inside the region for years z then bringing outside but basically our philosophy is follow the martial arts, teaching, you know, be respectful, be having good discipline, you know, honor, loyalty out is it then you're going to be a fighter? After you get out this?

Jose Flores:

I'm glad you touched base because I mean, I come from a traditional martial arts background. However, I noticed things were changing. As soon as the UFC was coming up. Yes, because everybody wanted to be a fighter. So okay, it's great. You want to be a fighter. However, people went in there with the wrong mindset. And I mean, not to bash any coaches or anything but some coaches, okay, you just want to be a fighter, but they never taught him the respect that's on it. I mean, discipline. Of course, that doesn't limit the whole respecting that's being like you said that. Yeah, they. Yeah. And for me, that's one of the things I mean, Everywhere I go, and I see a coach, Randy, how you doing, sir? And I always last name basis. And I've gotten a lot of people not call me by my first name. It's just the respect that is that's why and I'm glad you touch that base. I'm glad I mean, I'm glad. And yes, I mean, even when I came in today to ask you for the podcast, everyone was very, I mean, you're setting you were very welcoming. And I noticed I was like wow, okay, this is, uh, you know, you know, traditional martial arts but you had that, take that and I feel that vibe of traditional martial arts. And I like that and then thank you so much. They appreciate that. Yeah. And so I wanted to ask you how many do you know do you recall how many fights you have professionally for yourself? Around the dam something around it okay. And what was your mindset before training throughout those fights how you keep your what what drove you made what was your drive?

Gerson Schilipacke:

I kinda wants to try myself yes try your training the level the time you don't have your a training hard is a basically fight every day. You know, between our own people fight every day was was normal. You coming to the gym? Many times you pray before go jogging, wanna go? I want to learn and want to fight Ellen's gonna get the injury. So God is helping me to back safe your home and you go you do your thing. Get this every day. So you Basically fighting every single day multiple times with different guys in different size yeah most time you take a bit not only go there you're there dominate the guy now in my size especially it was they always had to push myself to try to revive you know and then coming naturally okay let's try to start because don't have too much events during that time so when show up one opportunity Everybody wanna jumping in also had a few opportunities but was the coach push a little bit say you shouldn't be fighting a fight you know you say okay let's do it you know like things like that Yeah,

Jose Flores:

yeah cuz sometimes you just need that push because sometimes us I mean yourself as a fighter you see us No, I'm not ready I'm not ready all you need is that push like go ahead you're already good just go show up, just show up. And that's like so you've been here since you said 2009 2000 676 and everything and so you've seen a lot of students come in and out how do you determine when to rank up a student? What do you look for?

Gerson Schilipacke:

We have or the Brazilian fit. Since I'm from Brazil, then Brazil have the Brazilian muy Thai Federation they rules the more time they're having the ranking system they own Brazilian few countries of America follow the same system and when I'm moving here I decided to keep it the same system even like the muy Thai in the US is not true stronger for ranking system. A lot of the top agents who eat Thai coaches have his ranking systems from ILO they say a lot of people that is not to rank it because it here in the US you don't have regulation so I see a lot the kids the training for six months one year two years I'm a coach Okay, Coach so they don't have any certification they don't have okay your coach what you did I trained for two years Oh heavy fight no or one amateur fight the culture Yeah, you can be a good coach but you don't have a certification so these guys is talking badly about it when he's here are half of my time ranking system in the West white title heavy ranking system don't exist but they exist whose research is the Google is here for everybody? Yeah, it's free research you're going to see the white tie Association here he FEMA gay international meitei associate all this heavy ranking system these there is for everybody so this coaches the batch my time ranking is bullshit it's just for money lice because they have all over the word USA we started getting stronger and stronger in white tight ranking system exactly for me but ranking system we have here explane to the guys it is you step in a gym you don't know who is home that's true now that is true but then when you start to train and then you see a little guy weak you're stronger see now spying is going to delete this little guy a little bit then end up with a little guy He's a professional fighter with training since he nine years old he then he's gonna beat you because you try beating him up but when you put the ranking system we explain look looking my ranking system we have the band and the iron so look in the army the people you see the color you kind of know what the who's who is who inside them so it didn't help me as a coach because right now back in the day I was the only coach right margin. Now I am the head coach but they have three or four other instructors inside the gym our students mine to keep it the technique beer and clean and not bring in five air quotes from outside needs to be sung on the learning everything under it then they have their own classes. He then I don't know how many students they're doing six Amy I don't know how you know students they do classes that is not the mind the I know them but I don't know how is the technique so I know the ranking system they are they're kind of seeing the ranking know where each one should be in technique. He then we keep the thing is going in the same level

Jose Flores:

then that's great. Oh man, I like that. I mean you just looking at the ranking system when so for yourself in order for them to become a coach or to become a black belt. What do you look for what do you require in them? But we have

Gerson Schilipacke:

few belts like in your rack system you started as white belt? Yes, they are the first the belt to get is a white With a little piece of red then you get a full red band. Then ready band De Niro PC light blue then you get light blue. This first ability you're gonna take two to three years to get when you get the light blue is why am I starting to give you some instruction how to be an instructor before there you learn the technique is to learn the technical side the day the philosophy of the gym, the martial arts, everything. They are the blue light blue, going to come in pointed dark blue in dark blue, between the light blue and dark blue you're gonna take in more two to three years DSP do they already teaching you how to be a teacher or coach the dark blue you are going to start giving you classes to teach inside the gym where do you under my supervision I see how you develop the student not just teaching the technique unity developing them technically they grow so that our people he pointed black and black is the next two belts. So between the three belts don't have a tiny range. I needed to see your technique evolve I needed to see your inside and outside the gym how you carry yourself you know because I can have a guy inside the gym acting goodie on the back outside a bad person. So I need to help you to find your way in life to because you're going to have presented my name in my gym later if you have a location in UEC right now you know a lot the big gyms heavy affiliate affiliated the gym that the coach did something wrong, they put a bed in anyhow they did remove affiliations you know, so I tried to avoid that. So I really pick with the who's going to Hey presenters outside my gym. So this is the training we do for everybody. So I have a few black couple had black belts, because I'm really straight with the belt. Since even like a teaching here for 12 years. I have two black belts on Wow, only two Yuan just got a black belt to the last amount. Yeah, and also in all these years I just produce true black belt. Yeah, my heavy damn guys waiting for one to three years already they I still been helping them to see okay, now you're ready, then you're gonna get it then you're gonna have full support after the actual if you want to walk in our location, we will you know, but until they show the technical level we need and the person the personality, everything that is right, it should lead the other kids because not just the runs a gym, it's not just the money, you are going to help the parents to develop kids. Right Right now we had two kids three years old 34567 if you are not responsible, you're going to help the parents to create a raising a bunch of problems. That is correct. So my really focusing who's teaching who's teaching kids because you are the lead? You're their heroes, basically, I think kids five years old, they look into the fighters I have and the coaches are like that is my male Hamada was my is my hero. So what did they do? They get they probably want to do if they want to do stuff. If the code you're showing bed is failed there, especially back in the day don't have social media. Now like okay, that code back in the day you're close to Jimmy go out.

Unknown:

Right now it's social media man's Good to see you what you do every time.

Gerson Schilipacke:

So if you started posting the bad stuff down there, they think there is the right way to do and they can't let it happen. No, I can't they have a responsibility with the community we built.

Jose Flores:

Yeah, no, that's, that's great stuff you're teaching there because I mean, I know where you're coming from. I myself have students on my social media, but all they see on my social medias, family pictures or pictures of Disneyland because I love this thing. And I know what you mean, I'm a role model because they don't look up to you. They only look up to you and and yeah, I I feel that responsibility that I want to be a good role model. I don't know about yourself, but I do feel that responsibility of I want to be a good role model for these kids. So I I don't party. I never party. I mean, I did but it wasn't my scene. But for me, you catch me just either Disneyland or you catch me Either watching UFC fights or just hanging out with friends playing games. That's an yeah, that's all I do. I mean, or a little bit of jujitsu here and there but I love it. I love that and everything.

Gerson Schilipacke:

But I know a lot of these younger guys need a living we've been I've been there before you know, but be responsible is not the everything you do outside the day you need the braggy for this little kid is saying, you know, okay, you wanna go you wanna party? Go party? Private, yes, do your freedom keep posting you putting out blank stuff you do that for you maybe is nice. But for the little kids, they don't need to see that they elected they decide what they gonna do when they can becoming teenagers and adults. Like today decide to be lead the dental on the right way. The parents leading even more, you don't know, but it's their decision without setting in their head since young age fighter was doing this in their day. I want to keep you out, keep it private to do you're living your life. But privately, if your instructor if you are a higher level fighter, you know, needed them the right way help you they want to see good stuff in not a false impression that that is the way to go.

Jose Flores:

Yeah, I mean, if a student came up to me and said, you know, Mr. Gerson I want to be I want to be an instructor or a coach. Then when you have the talk, Okay, you know what, there's certain things that you know, just not inside the gym but outside of the gym when I

Gerson Schilipacke:

when they come in around the day, they that time the light blue. Okay, coach, I want to be instructor What do you mean? I said, I said, and I said, The rule is we have because we have rules to be a coach. He The only is how you carry yourself in how you carry yourself out, when you're a black belt, okay, coach, I wanna have a gym, we have the rules for that job. Because, like I say, I came from a box. So the box in my town, only heavy, probably 4000 students in many locations, but they think it grow so much it towards some years there, everyone should, like you hear, they'll have one shoe box on the on the high street, then the other box on the head on the street, if you want to the box on the second district. So everybody fighting for the same crowd. It then we have a bunch of guys that are basically working to pay their bills and are growing the goal is I love martial arts. I love to lead the oldest kids, I love to have fighters but this is what put the food in my table this everybody want to grow in life, you want to have the house, you want to have the nice car, or you want to you know, help more people, whatever is your goal coming from your gym, this is your job. This is not your hobby, you can enjoy as a hobby, what to make the morning joyful. But in the end of the day, this is what pays my bills. So I don't want to produce a bunch of guys under me, they're gonna open a gym two blocks from me. So we have rules, you know, normal rule is basically is blending in, it's spread, you know, you close this door, you're driving your car in the night time it 20 minutes anywhere you want. If you don't have your other coach from us already there, you pick the location, the location was yours. And we're gonna make sure the next guy the coming, going to pick a location 20 minutes anywhere from your location. So you're going to spread the coordinates in not in the be fighting each other. You know, so we have those rules, true business rules. Yeah, their development is spread. We have y'all there too. So I explained to them all this upfront, but then the heavy guys did not even teaching inside my gym and start going out to my gym. Okay, so get out of here not gonna be here. He then they often mostly fail. Yeah. Because in the end of the day, what do they do this? Like I say the Google is here. Google is free. And I highly recommend Google your coach, Google the coach. I want to sign up near the gym, Google the coach go to his background where his came from how long he's in training what his history you know why because you see a lot the guys the training six months and under coach. He then you Google, you're gonna find out that the culture of that guy is five to 10 minutes from there. Cool. You're gonna train with the distributor the training one year no no basically nothing or the culture there have it 20 3040 years in training you know like I'm not experienced a lot that know how to best forward Google the coach you're gonna see spot a lot fake Kildare you know a lot to fake out there who's training for like your coach for a long time on the court we kind of know already not as the guy deserved or not but put your time you're gonna like we say that you're going to be leading people you have a responsibility you need to develop even if you don't want to lead this person on level you need the lead the as a coach that the person that paying money for you wanting to learn you get the batter developing and whatever area they want they want to lose your weight self defense fighting you need to be able to develop them in the supply What are they paying for? And I get training 123 years not gonna be he's gonna teach him the punch is gonna teach him the key keys on a teaching the footwork he is on a teaching a takedown are grappling but he is don't know how develop it that you get faster and stronger or more transitions more combinations. They're gonna teach you the basic the basic water coming behind it to develop it their person they don't have either on this one I see a lot I see a lot here in my gym. People are I signed a year contracting this ex jam. And it was always the same thing I don't learn I stuck your train latency the guy's a trainee one year with you. I showed this guy train one year this guy six months. He the guy's Well, it's better than the I'm already here. If they're waiting finish that year contract, they sign the other job. He didn't come here. He then told him I said Man, I losing time. I haven't guys have one guy. I'll say names but he's training for around. He's like 48 years old. 49 years old training for 30 years his best by most local genes between LA and Huntington Beach. And experience he was trained in one gym that was in Arizona where it is the biggest muy Thai tournament and the last two years is in Phoenix Arizona. So he was in 2018 in his under fighting and broke his ankle that broke his leg and then he's a COVID He's coming back start training with me he's kind of doing privatdozent group class and he's like boom belly unbelievable the amount of years I pass learning nothing being basically scamming you know and he is ended up bringing a lot of people because i doing this for so long and a lot there the training out there around you know like so coming to the gym, you know because the coaches don't have experience you can teach in nicer stuff but the way you teach my sister for one year he then you don't know how developed they are my sister guy stuck the personal and you can beat them Yes, he's gonna be like that, you know he don't wanna grow he's not gonna get the more of so that is the geofence so my recommendation Google go for sure you can see good quotes you can see bad quotes even with the experience Yeah, no, but if you do your research you're going to save your money the study in one gym the first year when you don't know anything to learn is good the more you're learning more this type to open your mind say oh, I don't think this is right or I think I stuck and need them you know so if your research already want to jump in the first year is stuck in LA low level experienced head coach he already go for something only going to develop here

Jose Flores:

that is oh man you just blew my mind that is true that I mean you need what to learn after the basics because you don't want to be stuck with basics. I mean basics are good. However, I

Gerson Schilipacke:

have a class here twice a week there is no spine just my tie fundamentals in my pro fighters do the class the professionals doing that less consistently the amateurs everybody do it. Why? Because there is the class that I don't have training for 2528 years. I still learning they are they you know I never stop learning. I still learning all the time, am I still pressing? The jab distrait the low key because if you don't press your technique you get to worst. If you practice your technique getting better even if you did esky for 30 years. You Ice chill, making better in chill, forcing myself to whatever faster and stronger, you know angles everything, I still doing the same agenda straight low key key as a beginner over and over and never stop. So you need to do that in any one train six months here or in any gym basically you learn in most of the moves, six months one year, even like if there's a gym, they handle that do a lot spins and you learn in most of the technique and the sixth journeyer after that is how you're going to develop the technique coming in that they are going to be Kiki stronger or Kiki faster. Now you have the angles when you're going to lose decades not every kikuna working every time you need to know where throw the kick when you know inside IV nation can do jab straight kick or you can go jab geeky, demonstrate why because if the guy did the zombie movies there is opening for you. So how does understanding for me to give me basically 10 years to start understanding those things, you know, like it opened my mind to like, Oh my God, why nobody told me this. Because they ever caught you. In the pit learning everything for someone or few people in them have their own understanding of the technique. Then from there, even like you learned the same technique then 1000 people in the gym, you are different. Yes. Now you're a little different the way you teach and the way you explain that people on there, you're already going to be different than the students from your best friend. They are learning everything with you for years you know, teaching other gym your understanding is everything

Jose Flores:

that that is true and I like how you how you put it that way. I mean it's all how are you going to evolve and that's what's wonderful about martial arts it's always evolving as always nervous Yeah, coach

Gerson Schilipacke:

you there. Close the doors, close their eyes, whatever I learned is whatever I teach nothing change. That's it stuck is going to be all the news in one two years. Yeah, you need to keep your eyes open. I'm going to events I go into tournaments. I seen other fighters I seen other gyms I seen things they might fighters doing good there I see my fighters missing from their eye building. I really know I changed thing because a pistol is a constantly evolution Yeah, at constant will never stop.

Jose Flores:

And is that what you encourage your students to do? Even amateur fights are perfect because that's how I mean that's how I interpret things. That's how I mean aside from the sparring, that's how you also learn you're like yourself to evolve from the fighting. The thing is,

Gerson Schilipacke:

I have a lot of guys no levels, you know some days here like Tuesday Thursdays that is the main classes I have that I personally teach so most guys come into the gym to train with me you're going to see days like have plenty guys have a day say 30 guys and his display is crowded founded 30 guys if you show up 30 guys today to any gonna be guys with five to 10 years in training other me already. Wow. So this guy is with a bunch of amateur fights. Fellow fighters out there train specifically lay underneath. They train everyday, they sparring multiple times a week. So even like they are good. They start to know each other. Yeah, now I know I'm going spy here with the this guy. I know what he's doing good and bad regard then I go into the next I know what so they inside the years they know each other so even like both feels really good. don't have that surprise element too much here on the RDS. So this is when we go to fight. I have genes there for many students there. I left it from honey Don't they have their own genomes in Holland into Costa Mesa you're vying San Diego you know like I say even like okay you didn't not tell the process to be a black belt represented My name having my name and my you know, you open our gym or doing good far away from me with Joe cooperating workout sister gyms. They bring their guys just fine with me. I can give you my point of view to them. I bring you my guys just backing me down so they can have it there. Surprise effect. Now they're going to fight them. They're just when you see what's working what's not what you need to change it from there is the experiences that grow not just a really inspiring between them because yet too much too much too much same stuff you know they even like you one is way better the other start to kind of pick the pace they know I normally do this combination it's normally heavy there's a stronger side of the order his left his right his was more kids it was more points it was more clinch takedowns if it's MMA training you know he's got the Grappler we're gonna force you to take it down so when you go to these other places there we cooperating you don't know why everybody there and then is when the surprise effect me hit that is when we fix the things when you back home

Jose Flores:

wow that was like that and that's great that used to cooperate with a lot of gyms because not that many gyms do that.

Gerson Schilipacke:

No, I avoid it because it does seem quitted like we talk about La La all the way from LA all the way to San Diego mostly fight mostly jeans fighting same events. So a lot of gyms working with the crosstraining like yeah, I'm white I'm really everybody no mice no muy Thai only but the striking yes teaching so I have a lot of fighters they call me an email coach I'm gonna throw in striking with you but they're gonna train you're wrestling this other gym we're gonna train Jiu Jitsu and the other gym you know it then they're those gyms is the gyms that normally gonna fight and we fighting against the advances so not too much options. We fight the NSA. I don't like to have someone from the gym, peeking what they want from us eat them back at their best to their guys then fight my guy that is loyal to me. 100% The guy didn't really Jiu Jitsu with me. And with us here I would like to be able to jujitsu more into the teaching for us. Even like I teach in grappling. But for the MMA. So I have the jujitsu coach. I have the meitei the MMA the strength conditioning online guy says we all do so the guy that is completely loyal to us. kV ow wanted us if they only want to train one guy they may be gonna fight against him my guy or like friend of him that he's gonna give you all the tips on this guy is gonna fight I know him but he's fine with it. He's good it is better than that. So to avoid that I don't take guys from other gyms if it is look I have guys from San Diego coming you know I have guys that coming from other states or their seat is there normally is not in the same range of events refight I have I owe on teaching them with sci fi there is the community I want to say we do Okay, let's do it down is the different environment is different the level of competition than I have but if it's a local fighter the training our local gym that I have in St. Louis even like for business only straight as a business I show the heavy everybody you know, trying to get the price but I asking for loyalty for my guys. Yeah. And I need to give you my loyalty to them is traded that need to be right on the balance if you want go off is not working for my side or for their side so I asked him the loyalty I give him my loyalty. It is the way we've been doing it so far. I have no regrets.

Jose Flores:

I like that. That's awesome. And you went back to UFC fighters I you know I was watching an interview with Michael Bisping he he mentioned your name and how did that meeting go about how do you guys get together talk about basically

Gerson Schilipacke:

VSP his met one older fighter mine that is what I did not even training anymore. He met the despite professional head in Vegas nightclub fighter. He was famous in the great fighter two professional eye training Long Beach in Huntington Beach being was in England but the moving through us saying the past and moving the DA maybe you can spot him sometime you don't know Okay, they tray the fonts. The past few months been called him saying on fight camp and he the sparring partners. Are you up to my guy conversate coach what it is I go there, do your thing. My GoDaddy did a good pay us like a couple weeks they all had to do out there and that's the other sparring session like I go there and did you go there? You didn't say then they go Who's your coach? There is Jeremy introducing me to him. He then they call me maybe one week later because he was in camp to fight I think Jason Miller on alternate fighter the coaches on the Ultimate Fighter. Don't Okay, then I go there. I saw his day spa he without my guy he and the other two guys Then they asked me what do you think sir I should do tweaks I said now my hair too pointy and now what they actually do a little different special on the spanking my guy because my guy normally do this see man nice then past few time maybe bear the fight us won the fight he then he's came here then he's came here training here on sir twice he then after that his manager call me yeah and then we set up putting contract and lifestyle then I was official code for him when we did it like five years fight camps that he then when I open the gym and head on to everyone's kinda we spread hadn't started have no time because it fighted in there level consuming a lot of time. It was three classes that privates are weak in three Spartans in different time. So Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I had to go to Mr. Because he's living far away then with the size of their training or their rocker gym in Costa Mesa was a middle ground ground so I drive 20 minutes is writing blogging it's good for everybody. All other quotes to agree multiple quotes are there muy Thai nama me you know wrestling other coach, so it was easy for us was a dejima base. So I had to go on the morning, then I back then I have to go on the evening. Then back to Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Really then travel to when we fight locally. With on the fight week. We train normally in the gym, we got to wait till Friday, on Thursday night Friday to Saturday you fight for the UFC is different with see fighters checking on the choosing. We had to fight in Australia, they have to adapt, we had to be there 1012 days before so all the time you're not in my gym near now. So there was what's the fee to keep you going because I see my own fighters equals you don't have time towards anymore. The same time you have your order with the fighters while the billeter fighters so was basically one week you hear two out when we hear tuality down when I start feeling that um, I don't know for how long it could be then I'll open a second location that consumes a lot of time then there was the the end of the tinium train for the

Jose Flores:

well being a nice experience. You had to come back to your students and one is a learning

Gerson Schilipacke:

process and like I say all the time you because even like I was training this being a top level fighter, wasn't it? I always joke with my five guys like a coach that guy train with the guy see who's the guys train is on their card. You guys are used to training with me because we are always everyday together but the man I training wasn't the man to FFC. Thank you How many coaches in our surrounding 20 miles the coaching there was on the way FC minivan through divider. You can pick it two or three. He knows we joking about it there but he was experiencing a lifetime experience. I learned I seen how the boxing coach there was a top level boxing coach teaching him I see how the jujitsu interactivity him I see the wrestling, I seen the strength conditioning, they see me so they pick things from my side, they pick things from their side from there with, like I say, with joy for over here. So that was a good experience for me. Because I learned a lot inside that period of five years training.

Jose Flores:

Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, like we were talking about martial arts evolving in that are you involved? It's just and sometimes I mean, as as, as coaches instructors, you can see things differently than any other person can do even a little golden nugget that you see you're like, Oh, okay. All right. And then you could apply that in because it becomes great. Yeah. So that's great. Oh, well, sir. You know what I know you got things to do. I know you're busy. But before we go, anything you would like to say to your students or anything and you would like to say I mean, first of all, I always

Gerson Schilipacke:

have to thank you God for everything. Basically, I follow his lead. Now if me here today is because he's leading here and I try to pass this forward. No, everybody have your own religion or beliefs, but I'm not forcing that in to any of my guys or anyone around but you go in my social media, you're always gonna see my first hashtag is up. Ready to go. And I believe in that 100% so I won't take things for you first and then thank you to my wife because she is with me since day one I moved here a few months later we met she was one fighter in mind we ended up getting married is to all this time developing everything together. So thank you for the patience be a wife of a coach is not a easy job. We have to do a lot a lot that tension for the GM for the business for fighting easy sometimes in the house is something missing. So it's hard to balance in the patients you have a wife or a girlfriend or a coach or a father is very important you should be really patient so thank you and to my guys thank you for being here to believing or trust in my job the way I trusting their job and keep training keep pushing you know like that is a hard you work it you do. There's a hard career be a fighter. So make sure they stay stay sharp stay focus the priority needed be impact when you lose your priorities you lose your career and everybody around in my students the regular students busy 89% of my gym is normal people it's people that know not never gonna fight because they don't want not that they could not technical wise the body type conditioning they could be fighter but not their thing. They like the hobby they like it they lose weight, keep it away too low or self defense. Keep training never stopped because everything you need be sharp all the time. It's crazy all their self defense especially. You need to be in training. keep staying trying to stay safe, because you never know where you're going to need.

Jose Flores:

The army guys if you're looking for more Thai place to train fight solutions on Seventh Street Seventh Street. Yeah, yeah, it's a great place. So again, thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. Everyone out there. State something we're tuning in. Bye bye bye.